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Robert "Bob" Smith's avatar

If CA wants to support veterans it can start by not taxing military retirement. That would directly benefit veterans without any strings or alternative agendas attached.

Montecito93108's avatar

Agree Bob! Why is it that CA is one of the very few states to tax Veterans? It’s meaningless for Californians to say “Thank you for your service benefitting me and the nation” and then turn around and tax veterans. Personally I’m indebted to every veteran. I’m shocked how many actives are dependent on SNAP and public assistance.

Prop 1 is a definite NO VOTE! No more bonds!!

On topic: I’m mad that my CA State and IRS tax dollars don’t provide the care and housing needed by those forever harmed by their service. To provide what’s needed to help the injured, WHY must I, you, and other taxpayers also give to Tunnels to Towers, Wounded Warriors, Disabled Vets, and other NGOs? I don’t get our national or CA funding priorities.

After the Vietnam War my leg amputee plus other injuries Army Cousin was left on his own. Collectively, we lacked needed resources. Fortunately as a former Bat Boy, the Angels generously adapted a small home for him proving to be his guardian angels. I’d like my tax dollars to go to veterans rather than undocumented residents and frivolous purposes.

Jeff barton's avatar

When I think of helping veterans I am not thinking of commissioned officers collecting pensions well before age 65 who received an advanced degree at taxpayers expense who now work for defense contractors selling access to the military procurement process. I think of non commissioned vets who served four or six years and receive no pensions and who were perhaps deployed and suffer PTSD. Bob is better than Salud but I am at a loss to understand the orgasmic enthusiasm for this RINO.

Robert "Bob" Smith's avatar

You’re missing the bigger picture.

1. I served over 26 years, 8 enlisted and 18 as an officer. Those were 26 years I wasn’t building wealth in the private sector, climbing a corporate ladder, earning overtime, or spending birthdays and holidays with my family. Including many years in operational theater, a complete loss of life time. Military service is voluntary, but if we expect the best and brightest to dedicate decades of their lives, there has to be a competitive incentive to stay.

It’s mind boggling to me to that over 12 years of sea duty, years of time in war zones, and in my last active duty job 1000 days away in 3.5 years was somehow in my personal benefit to you because it got me a job in the defense industry 27 years later. All defense companies hire veterans regardless of rank.

2. This affects every military retiree in California. After 20–30 years of service, most have little home equity because they’ve moved every few years. Starting a second career in one of the nation’s most expensive states while paying tax on military retirement makes leaving California the rational financial choice.

3. California sees more active-duty members retire than any other state, yet the overwhelming majority leave. When they do, California doesn’t just lose tax revenue on retirement pay, it loses their second careers, state income taxes, property taxes, businesses, volunteer work, and good citizens. Other states understand this and compete aggressively to attract them.

4. I’m surprised you’re arguing that California should tax veterans to give to fraud while calling me a RINO. Pretty much every major red state in the country does not tax military retirement. Veterans are one team, regardless of rank. Keeping military retirees in California strengthens our economy, our communities, and our workforce. Taxing them into moving away benefits no one.

5. Veterans who served one enlistment and have service-connected disabilities, including PTSD, are eligible for tax-free VA disability compensation in the same amount regardless of rank. California also offers some of the nation’s strongest veteran benefits through CalVet, including education benefits that can cover UC tuition for eligible dependents and other programs that help disabled veterans establish long-term stability. I fully support protecting those benefits that overwhelmingly help the non-retiree more than the retiree. Ending California’s tax on military retirement doesn’t take anything away from that, it helps keep career veterans and their families here, where they continue contributing to our economy and communities.

There are 1.3 Million veterans in CA receiving some veteran benefits. There are about 500k Californians receiving VA disability. There are only 160k military retirees in CA. So the overwhelming amount of benefits are going to non-retirees. Which is great. And this state doesn’t need a dime from retirees and can let them keep it after a career of service to afford to stay in our state.

Jeff barton's avatar

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

Jeff barton's avatar

Thank you Commander Bob Smith USN Ret. As a retiree of the private sector with no pension, I am glad that my tax dollars can pay yours.

bobbyboy's avatar

Generally speaking, most bond issues on the ballot in California are a scam. The titles are almost always deceiving.

Ralph Brown's avatar

Well stated. The Dem playbook - tell the public we need to save the children, house the Vets, provide housing and services for the homeless, then feed the cash to their NGO supporters. Shameful.

CA's avatar

This is yet ANOTHER SCAM to feed billions to NGOs and their high salaried leaders / friends of Goober Newscam.

Brian MacIsaac's avatar

I for one am shocked!! I never would have believed that our one party in charge of California would misrepresent a ballot initiative! Are they saving democracy with their lies? I think not.

Lief's avatar

Thank you for exposing this rip-off. As a Vet I find it offensive that these grifters keep trying to suck the blood of the CA taxpayers for their own advantage.

Gary Simpson's avatar

Excellent James. I am so grateful that you clearly brought this to our collective attention.

I know I sound somewhat like a broken record, but if we are to restore sanity to our once glorious Golden State, everyone must examine the issues such as James has done here and get out to vote come November. believe that’s our only road back to normalcy

Montecito93108's avatar

Thanks for the reminder Gary. We each need to engage, commit to winning this November by our individual contributions to an all out effort. We’ve got a stellar candidate in Cmdr Bob Smith. We each can to introduce Bob to 12-20 friends, neighbors, or family to build the voter network that’s required to make him our Congressman. Bob Smith will get beneficial results for us in D.C. There’s less than 100 days until the election. No time to sit back.

Andi Gallagher's avatar

The left use vets, black and hispanics, trans/gay, the homeless, climate etc to pull at the heartstrings of the public. They succeed in passing legislation, props and bonds etc for these noble causes yet the money never gets there or if it does it’s a fraction of what’s taken in.

As previously stated, these bs ngo’s reap all the benefits and line their pockets.

Ask yourself, has anything improved for any of the groups I mentioned?

Nope. It’s actually become worse for a lot of these folks. It’s a huge scam and most people are too busy or confused to notice.

California is one of the worst offenders. Where’s the rail line promised? They haven’t driven one spike in the ground yet.

Millions of dollars for ca’s homeless problem? 🤷‍♀️go to skid row and tell me how it’s improved.

Ca lottery sold to the people as a win for ca schools?! That’s a laugh.

Millions of dollars are generated by the lottery yet the conditions of schools and the academic conditions are appalling.

On and on and on it goes, where it stops…it’s up to you

Hudson's avatar

The day that Commiefornia does something good for the Veterans is the day that Hell freezes over. Prop 1 is nothing but another DemocRat Scam to steal the Taxpayer's money. Don't be fooled. Read past the first paragraph and Vote NO!

Gary Simpson's avatar

Thanks Montecito93108. I agree entirely and especially about Bob Smith. I was introduced to him after Larry Elder’s sold-out presentation at the Hilton not too long ago. We spoke about some of his life’s achievements and his vision for the State’s future. He solidly gave me fifteen minutes of his time and I was very impressed by EVERYTHING he spoke about! He will be an excellent representative in Congress for our district and our State. He has my endorsement and I’ve shared as much with many a Santa Barbariño

Lou Segal's avatar

James couldn't be more right about this proposition. On the federal level there is a humongous amount of fraud in veterans programs and benefits. The latest is veteran disability benefits. There has been a huge increase in these disability payments in the last 10 years. They are meant for veterans who have suffered grievous injuries in war. However, nowadays veterans are getting benefits for migraine headaches, dermatitis and other minor ailments. Some are getting 100% disability for common ailments even thought these are meant for veterans who have had there legs amputated or some other major injury from active combat.

I know one guy in his 70's who had early stage prostate cancer which was entirely cured. He claimed he got it over 55 years ago because of exposure from Agent Orange in Vietnam. I see him time from time after he finishes a round of golf. He managed to get Carbajal's office to go to bat for him and believe it or not was able to qualify for 100% disability. This amounts to over $4,000 a month tax free and he also qualifies for significant property tax breaks in Ca. I should mention he is a minister and writes about his faith for one of the online newspapers in Santa Barbara.

Jon Stewart , the comedian, lobbied for a law that made it much easier for some veterans to bamboozle the govt with these nonsense claims, and now we have almost 40% of veterans receiving disability benefits for a budget of over $441 billion.

Scott Wenz's avatar

How about this.

The deceptions and junk aimed at veterans has been ongoing since the 1970's.

Still falling for it? Why?

When will the voters get it...it is a scam.

Hossein's avatar

I think the problem is the term TAX. Because people got used to just pay and not know or track the consequences. I thaught paying tax is about paying infrastructure, like military, health, education, etc. Finding out that they pay themselves too, just gets me thinking who's actually getting the money then?!

Backyard Habitat Alliance's avatar

Solutions: Vote RED, and continue mass deportations. Our state is rasist against white legal citizens.

Danincommicalifornia's avatar

I’m a NO on anything this fraudulent, tyrannical, unelected government proposes… ANYTHING!